Homestuck Fan Theories
Thieves, beneficial to their team?

Okay, so we all love our thieves and rogues, and like to classify them according to what Callie told us. The problem with that is Calliope isn’t always right. Our thieves are Vriska and Meenah, who share something in common other than the class. Now, there are some things to remember:

-There is more to passive/active than just offence/defense and self-benefit/others-benefit.

-This theory is based on the assumption that The Ultimate Reward corrupts the group claiming it. (Caliborn, Squidles) Basically, if the Squiddles made the trolls’ universe, then they were changed into Horrorterrors (48). Also, Caliborn and Lord English are quite different, despite the age difference, it just makes sense that the power or something changes them somewhat.

With that in mind, thieves are rather active. Except for one thing we overlook, both thieves have (pretty unintentionally) shared. Vriska, technically, stole victory for herself by landing the last blow on the king, but Gamzee did most of the work. Vriska also stopped them from claiming the reward by putting John to sleep to cause Bec to be prototyped. And then there’s Meenah, she stole her friends lives. The Condescension killed a lot of things. Each of these events, while benefiting the thief, benefitted others too. I know, it sounds crazy, but let me explain each one.

-Stole victory. They still won, y’know Their team as a whole, it’s not like Sgrub gave more points or more of the reward to Vriska because of it. It was really just the joy of killing that thing she stole. Look, you’re tired, you’ve been fighting this beast for a while, and haven’t ended the fight yet. It doesn’t help that Vriska hasn’t dealt much damage. And then, she deals a final blow. If she had exerted herself like them, nobody knows if someone would of had the energy to deal a final blow.

-Put John to sleep. Chain reaction right here. A ton of stuff happens because she stopped him from prototyping, which led to their claiming of the reward being stopped. Clarification, the universe was made, but they didn’t claim the reward. That reward would have corrupted them. Accept it. They probably would have become power-hungry and started killing each other anyway, but no, Vriska stopped it. Sure, she didn’t know she would, she just wanted to be able to kill Jack, but she did. She knew ahead of time she would stop them from claiming it, and she benefitted them by preventing them from going all reward-crazed corrupt.

-Killed the pre-scratch trolls. Yeah, Meenah benefitted them by stealing their lives. If she hadn’t they’d be worse than dead, they’d be nonexistent. She didn’t even care if it worked for the others or not, as you could tell by her not leaving her dream-bubble palace for a loooooooooong time, all that mattered was her continuing to exist.

-Killed a ton of people. Okay, even I have a tough time with this. The  Condescension definitely didn’t care about benefiting others. But she did. She stopped their suffering, haha no sufferer pun intended. But she killed them, yes, many, but by killing them they didn’t have to live under her tyranny anymore. Which is enforced by the fact that she forced the helmsman to suffer more, by making him live longer. Really unintentionally, the Condense was doing a favor to all those she killed/shortened the lifespan of.

Now, use this evidence as you will, but to be clear, here is what I conclude from this evidence. Thieves are the solution/benefit of the problems they cause, or they cause problems to benefit them and others. Vriska stopped their corruption by bringing in Jack. She also insured victory by saving her energy and dealing a blow when it was needed, but made it slower by not contributing along the way. Meenah killed them, but did so in a way that kept them existing. The Condense killed people, which ended the pain they went through by living under her rule. Solution/benefit of their problem. Or problem from the benefit. None of these benefits to others were intentional, except for when it benefitted them. So yeah, all these coincidental times where the “active” class shares. And another possible definition for how the thief class interacts with their aspect. Yay.

A Theory about the Pink Sun as ALOT more than just that

Okay so I don’t want to get too carried away too quickly but let me start with a bit of background knowledge into this theory. Basically my main jam is Classpect I spend hours of spare time just trying to crunch out more sense of everything we don’t yet know about the remaining titles. This being said I just recently re-read Homestuck and found myself coming face to face with canon evidence (not just the snippet of silly info from Hussie’s formspring I thought it was prior) of the 48 player Squiddle session that created the Trolls’ universe. This namely and unfortunately only being when Karkat exposites briefly upon Alternia’s 48 constellations. Directly comparable to earth’s 12 representing the trolls, this was all the proof I needed to start taking the idea seriously. From there I discovered several things that only briefly hinted at the idea being true one of which is the EVER PREVALENT Yin Yang, 69, mobius double reacharound, Ouroboros iconography that once again seemed to rear its head. In so much that if this supposed session were to exist and have had to scratch, as all known sessions thus far have, then that would be another 48 players making a total of 96 which written in numerical format is a visually inverse 69. A stretch I know but like I said just one of a few TINY things.

The next bit gets into some of my other theory works but just ended up being monstrously helpful. So again a bit of exposition here.

WAY MORE THAN I PLANNED

One of my central interests is colors/color schemes and I make it a point to have a good number of palettes on hand at all times for handy usage inclusive of the 24 Troll player blood castes and respective god tier aspect color sets, all of the pokemon type colors (an unrelated side project), and other assorted colors like the 8 Human kids typing colors derse and prospit color sets and finally the most important and of which was hardest to come by, the proper session colors (which I will provide an explanation and visual for). To begin I’ll explain the specific colors I use and why. Not being able to recollect exactly when, some time ago, I came to the discovery that the 8 human kids colors create a little map of sorts. To explain if you take them and continuously adjust their hue to even specified increments they make a VERY SPECIFIC rainbow of colors one some would recognize as the colors that they not only use, but the session thus far known to canon AS WELL AS MORE. (Remember this tidbit for later.) Now the thing to note about this is that it fringed heavily on a small assumption I made. Basically having the color of the human sessions and the one definitive troll color (I base mine upon the color of their portals shown later on during Doc’s lengthy explanation into how the Handmaid came into his tutelage where it shows her meteor emerging and being intercepted by him). Now the other troll color is the key component there. It wasn’t without much deliberation and trial that I finally settled upon one of two colors from a palette devised by skewing the already known colors with the method I mentioned earlier. It was either going to be a blue very close to serket colors OR a light tan brown very close to nitram colors. The reason being that I invest in the theory that the sessions colors derive from their most important players contributions (though specifically I myself believe it has more to do with something else that they all have in common not how important they were but that doesn’t actually matter here.) In case anyone reading this is unfamiliar with that theory it states that the Red of the Alpha corresponds to Jane, Green to Jade respectively, Purple to Gamzee and then presumably either one of the two I mentioned earlier to either Rufioh or Aranea (which was why there was ALOT of deliberation about which it would be since they both (based on titles and the brief knowledge we have of them pre- and post- scratch)) would contribute in ‘important’ ways. But anyway I chose the tan color after alot of experimentation and went on to use it to make a map of 16 INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT colors. 

I’m getting tired of talking about colors though. (As I expect anyone who has bothered to stick around for this long has gotten sick of hearing about them so I will conclude with visuals) 
Here you see the two rows of pre-scratch and post-scratch colors aligned as such and then columns designated for whole sessions. In keeping with the pattern I presumed that the next set would work as the colors for a session which would theoretically prelude the Trolls and again for either what would come prior to that session or due to color wheels being just that what would come after the humans session (partially a whole other theory in it’s own right).

Now that we have our colors though and know what they are due to represent I can present an infographic meant to originally to speculate on that fourth possible session there. 



It was only after the fact that I realized the potential for what I had discovered but there it is, the final one fitting in nice with the only other known sessions would conveniently fit as the Cherubs session. Now what those indicators of Before and after mean are the relationships to and from each of the session pairs between players. With the Alternian Trolls it was after their session was done that they contacted the kids. With the Alpha kids it was Calliope before the cherub session (Caliborn’s session very specifically NOT hers (this is important for why the Cherub session would even need a scratch)). 

Neato how once again we see that Ouroboros iconography in the completeness of this cycle of sessions. And just as an additional visual.


This very simply depicts the sessions within their respective universes, within their respective sessions, within their universes, etc.

(Very casually uses this as a segue)

So while playing around with this to give myself some fresh perspective on the information I already have. I noticed a remarkable “coincidence”. To explain, as seen above, I use the presumably largest sessions (the 48 player squiddle sessions) as the outer most parts of the cycle. However, an interesting little thing presented itself when I thought about what comes outside of that. Namely (presumably) the Cherub session Scratch (Calliope’s session) which interestingly enough…

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…interestingly enough create a remarkably “coincidental” aesthetic directly comparable to the Green Sun. Even more to the point though. The following image from depicting Rose in the epitome of her grimdark state (the avatar of the horrorterrors) and quite appropriately with a huge PINK SUN to directly reference what my theory would hold as the ‘Squiddles’ Pre-scratch session.

There might’ve been more I wanted to explain but it’s now midnight and I am too tired to continue but there it is, the revelation in all its wonder.

So on one of the very first pages John shows what’s in his magic chest and one of the two objects(The other being those Blood Capsules) that never really serves any purpose is a Stunt Sword

And now John also has the treasure which will probably allow him to follow Lord English everywhere but he doesn’t actually seem to be able to harm him yet from what we know about the treasure

But now he probably can because Dave just got Lord English’s weaknesses weaponized in form a sword

So that’s that Lord English is going to be beat by John who uses two of his only weaknesses

And Calliope’s probably going to be helping because her trying to find her doomed timeline self is another major plotpoint when it comes to how LE is going to be beaten

My theory behind gamzee's sober rampage, is that maybe that's his normal temperment. If he has in fact been controlled by aranea this whole time, he might have this pent up anger. The idea is that when he is not sober, he obviously doesn't have much control over his mind, hence allowing aranea some ease at controlling him through his disgruntled mind. And when he stopped consuming his pie, he was no longer in her control?
Anonymous
Possibilities For The “Vs. Lord English” Fight
  1. Dave, wielding Caledfwlch. Although his new sword can supposedly harm Lord English, this may not be true since Dave received it under suspicious circumstances. It may possibly all be part of the Condesce’s master plan to hijack the B2 session (but that’s a different theory).
  2. Jake while using fully-realized Page of Hope powers. Simply put, if everyone believes that Jake has the strength to defeat LE, he will gain said strength thanks to his classpect. If this is the case, it would confirm theories that have been running for quite a while now, especially after this
  3. John, wielding the powers bestowed upon him by the “Legendary Treasure.” After numerous examples, he is now able to teleport to any given location or time in paradox space without altering the “canon” timeline. This means John could feasibly pursue LE should he attempt to escape to another location/time. This could potentially be an excellent asset.
  4. Calliope, revived using the Ring of Life. Were Calliope able to come back to life inside LE’s body, it is possible for her to force him to commit suicide and end their troubles immediately.
Okay, this is what I think might happen

Basically, the glitch will reach Dave’s planet and glitch the Beat Mesa into causing another scratch, in which the kids and trolls have to escape from again, the scratch goes into effect and we are introduced to four brand new kids.

The brand new kids are apart of the Alpha 1 session, however, they are being raised by people that are not related to them in the slightest, and live a bit more of a life that we are used to than the B1 and B2 kids. (See their neighbors often, more people play big roles in their lives, have homework, grandparents and cousins, ect.)

This means they’ll have more notable people and memories mentioned in their introductions, memos, pester logs, and thoughts.

Mod Note: An interesting theory, but given that Homestuck is still so close to the end I’m not sure if there is enough time for it to pan out. Glitch messing up the Beat Mesa in general is a really good thought though.

Eridan will somehow come back to life and kill Gamzee? (Mindfang killed Redglare, Terezi killed Vriska, Summoner killed Mindfang, Vriska killed Tavros, Dualscar killed Dolorosa, Kanaya killed Eridan. Who killed Dualscar? The Grandhighblood.)
Anonymous

Seems unlikely but it would be hard to rule anything out at this point. I think that might be just ridiculous enough that Hussie would try it.

What if Kanaya died on Jade's slab(since it's a space theme)?
Anonymous

An interesting theory. I doubt that Kanaya will go god tier but if she did that seems the most likely way I suppose.

Lil Cal, Glasses, and a possible villainous partnership?

I literally just thought of this, and maybe other people have already thought about this, but here’s the deal.

Lil Cal has been in Dave, Dirk, Terezi, Gamzee, and Jack Noir’s possession so far. Recently, Jack Noir looked into Lil Cal’s eyes and saw Caliborn’s soul. Then Caliborn was able to control him and Jack Noir went on a rampage.

Gamzee had Lil Cal earlier, and he looked into Lil Cal’s eyes. Caliborn then convinced him to stop eating the sopor slime. Why? Because the sopor slime may have been delaying the reaction to looking in Lil Cal’s eyes, and acted as sort of a barrier between Gamzee and Caliborn. But eventually the sopor slime wasn’t enough and Caliborn got through to Gamzee and he went on a rampage. 

Now here’s where Dave, Dirk, and Terezi become important. They have all had Lil Cal, but none of them have gone on murderous rampages. Why?

Well, what do they all have in common?

THEY ALL HAVE SOMETHING BLOCKING THEIR EYESIGHT. Dave and Dirk wear those thick shades, and those act as a barrier between them and Caliborn. Terezi was blinded, and her blindness may have been what kept her from falling under Caliborn’s control. 

But now Terezi can see again, and that puts her in real danger of looking in Lil Cal’s eyes and being under Caliborn’s control. 

Now here’s where things get really… out-there.

Aranea orchestrated Terezi getting her sight back. She used Gamzee to make her feel guilty enough to make Terezi ask her for her sight back. I’ve been reading some Aranea theories lately, and what the main theme seems to be is that Aranea wants to become, and even surpass, Mindfang. Aranea wants to make every aspect of Mindfangs’ life become a part of her life, including Mindfang’s rivalry with Redglare. So Aranea wants Terezi to be her new rival.

But what has Aranea got to do with everything else I just mentioned? Let’s loop back to when Gamzee had Lil Cal and was eating the sopor slime. At one point Gamzee stopped eating the sopor slime, looked in Lil Cal’s eyes, and went on a rampage. This may be because ARANEA TOLD HIM TO. Nobody really knows how long Aranea was controlling Gamzee, we just know she was definitely controlling him during Gamzee and Terezi’s kismessisitude. What if her controlling him started earlier, though?

But if Aranea knew Gamzee was going to go crazy, what would she gain from it? Maybe she just wanted to give Terezi another obstacle, to make her a stronger rival. Think of when Vriska was trying to strengthen Tavros. She was trying to strengthen him because she thought it would help him. Maybe Aranea was trying to indirectly strengthen Terezi so that when she overcame her struggle with Gamzee, Aranea would have a harder fight ahead of her (assuming she DOESN’T know Gamzee is impossible to kill). 

But then why in the most recent updates did Gamzee go from being so serene and almost asleep, to raging all over the place and throwing Terezi around? Because CALIBORN AND ARANEA’S CONTROLS ARE CONFLICTING WITH EACHOTHER. Aranea made Gamzee fall peacefully asleep because she was tired of hearing him talk, while Caliborn made Gamzee go crazy after Gamzee looked into Lil Cal’s eyes. Aranea was getting her soul ripped out of her by Brain Ghost Dirk, and that’s what made her lose control of Gamzee and re-instated Caliborn’s control of him. So Aranea and Caliborns’ controls are just CANCELING EACHOTHER OUT, switching back and forth.

In some ways, Aranea was using Caliborn’s control of Gamzee to her advantage, so that Gamzee could wipe out as many of the other trolls as possible and give Aranea less strings to tie. But in other ways it worked against her, and now Gamzee is actually beating Terezi. Without Terezi, Aranea would have no rivalry, and would make her less like Mindfang. Meanwhile Caliborn probably has no idea what Aranea is up to, and probably doesn’t even know who she is. Caliborn just kind of does his own thing, and at the moment he’s harrassing John with his fake world Homosuck.

So, without Caliborn even knowing it, he and Aranea are actually WORKING TOGETHER.

But what if the two of them actually MET? Could they strike a villainous partnership??? Did I just make two theories instead of one big theory??? Am I just stating the obvious??? I don’t even know anymore. Just wanted to get this off my chest. I probably made a lot of mistakes XD. 

Is there any way Kanaya could still achieve god tier?
Anonymous

i highly doubt it