You know… Once you really think about it, it doesn’t seem like the trolls TRULY know any human history.
The main reason I think this is because of the fact they say that humans aren’t very violent and hardly kill.
But how can that be when most of human history is insanely full of blood and slaughter? Our history is full of violence, assignations, massive execution of races because of religious belief, slavery because of skin or race and/or religious belief, massacres, torture, war, war crimes, slaughter, murder, kidnaping, concurring, invasion, bombing, shootings, ect. That doesn’t just harm and/or kill those who want to be involved, but innocents, without any justifiable reason prior to it, just for power, money, hate, and/or without any kind of truly logically realistic reason to even do it in the first place.
Then there is the way they talk to the kids about things.
The Trolls repeatedly say and reference things that, because of historical occurrences in the human timeline, is so highly taboo had they been made human themselves Homestuck would be under extremely hot water. But since they’re an alien race, one that has no prior contact with earth, most fans usually can brush off these comments, even though we do have to wonder why the kids don’t point this out when being called ignorant by a troll.
i think i just unintentionally gave proof that karkat might be a hypocrite shit
My theory is that the combined troll-kid session’s end result is our universe. i have no canonical evidence except for the fact that johns universe is simply called the “kids universe.” chew on that.
So I’m pretty sure everyone by now has noticed this:
The contradictions in there are obvious, how could Dave know if neither of them told him.
No one told Dave that John was missing, he didn’t ask anyone if John was missing, he just asks if they knew what happened to him. How did he know John was missing if no one told him.
I TRANSLATED THE ROSE UPDATE:
"i believe Jade has finally gone grimdark … ing against … to split us up … send us back to our own planets … i believe she is functioning … orders … Condence … Heir of … oh … she may still have a purpose … john managed to elude her have you heard from him?"
"Dave Im having trouble understanding you"
ALRIGHT. “to split us up … send us back to our own planets”
shes splitting them up for some reason.
"orders … condence … heir of … "
the condence wants John for some reason.
"john managed to elude her"
WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME JOHN ELUDED AN ATTACK??
hes not missing.
HES IN THE AIR
I’ve been thinking a lot recently about the origins of Lord English, and was wondering if any of my info was off/not canon and also just what you guys thought. That being said, here goes!! Spoilers abound.
I was under the impression that prince was interpreted as “one who destroys THROUGH” not “one who is destroyed BY”? This answer kind of hangs on that though. Correct me if I’m wrong?
There are a lot of ways that could work though I think. Sburb’s a pretty tricky game. Maybe their aspect becomes their downfall? Maybe downfall doesn’t necessarily have to mean death?
Hi guys, your admin here! After all the drama that’s gone down lately, I’ve really ended up in a pretty detached place from the fandom. I even went so far as blacklisting homestuck to avoid the drama. That being said, I don’t see a lot of the theories that come up on my dash anymore. I hardly even know what’s going on right now, which is rare for me. So! It would be great if people could link me to good theories, and I’m kind of thinking about looking for a new admin to take over for me. I’ve been operating this blog by myself for a long time, the main reason being that I don’t really trust other people’s tastes in theories, based on the posts I see going around and some of the submissions I get. So I’ll have to think about it.
However, let me know if you’re interested in being an admin for this blog!
Okay people. In response to all of your freaking out, I would like to point something out.
Doc Scratch was not Lord English- but rather someone who worked for LE and then became him when LE was ready to enter the universe in which he existed. Also, Doc Scratch was born/made/alchemized/whatever you want to call it by using Lil Cal, whom has been stated to contain part of Caliborn’s soul.
Jack Noir likewise is NOT Lord English: he is being used by Lord English- who is still probably Caliborn -so that LE may enter the alpha kids’ universe. Just as Doc Scratch was created using Lil Cal, Jack Noir started showing LE symptoms after staring at Lil Cal and basically flipping out. Caliborn was also shown staring at Lil Cal in these very updates. Moreover, Caliborn has said himself on a couple of occasions that Jack Noir can be useful and that he might have a use for him in the future.
I’m not saying that Jack Noir absolutely isn’t Lord English, and if anything LE might have some of Jack Noir’s essence in him.
However, due to Lil Cal’s extreme prominence in this and the known fact that Lil Cal is, for all intents and purposes, a horcrux for Caliborn, it is much more likely that Jack Noir is instead something closer to a vessel through which Lord English will enter the alpha kid’s world.
Other evidence for this:
1) Lil Cal’s eyes flashed red at one point- the color of Caliborn’s eyes. If this was purely a deal between Jack Noir, Lil Cal, and Lord English, that wouldn’t make sense: none of them have red eyes.
2) Hussie, all of the trolls, and even Calliope believe that Lord English is Caliborn. That’s not to say that he is pure Caliborn, but it makes it highly unlikely that he is pure Jack Noir.
3) We haven’t seen any other way for Lord English to get into the alpha session, and we know from the convoluted ritual with Doc Scratch that he can’t just waltz into a universe- he needs someone to arrange his arrival.
4) Jack Noir may have of his own accord obtained the leg and tooth, but as such Doc Scratch ended up losing his leg completely independent of LE’s influence. The character that LE uses to enter a universe must be destined to become more like him.
So that’s it. I could always be wrong and I would love for you guys to prove me wrong, but this was my first thought upon seeing the update and I have no idea why you all are freaking out. LE is still likely to be Caliborn, and there is still the possibility that he is any other character. The update proves that he’s here, and that’s what we should be worrying about.
Have a good evening.
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